Oleg Tsaryov Interview--Petroshenko's Job: War with Russia Before He is Replaced

Oleg Tsaryov Interview--Petroshenko's Job: War with Russia Before He is Replaced Oleg Tsaryov a member of the Ukrainian Parliament for 12 years, before Maidan, talks about the plot against Poroshenko, for whom war has become the only way to prolong his stay in power. --Oleg Anatolevich,the other day you made a loud statement that Ukraine is preparing another coup. Youbelieve that the information is credible? It's reliable. Unfortunately many of my predictions have come true. Shortly before the coup of February 2014, I made a statement in the Ukrainian Parliament that the United States Embassy was organizing a coup in Ukraine. Soon after my speech the coup really happened. But today I am not claiming that the coup will definitely happen. I only say that they are preparing it. --Preparing it now? Yes. In the hotel Kiev, on the 17-th floor under conditions of secrecy they are preparing the headquarters for the conspirators. There they are forming a team made up of those who participated in the shooting of the Heavenly Hundred ;Avakov, Parubiy (now the speaker of the Ukrainian Parliament), Avakov ... They are in close communication with Turchynov (head of the National Security and Defense and Defense Council of Ukraine). After I wrote about in my blog, many friends from Ukraine called me. They told me-Oleg we went to the hotel Kiev looked around and are convinced. There really is a separate lift with a guard who doesn't allow anyone to go to the 17-th floor. --Interior Minister Avakov is also implicated in the shooting of the Heavenly Hundred? He was aware of it. --And who were the main organizers of the crime according to you? Turchinov and Parubiy. --February 20, 2014 Parubiy was absent from Maidan, claiming that he had received a severe contusion. Later there were rumours that he feared becoming a sacred victim himself. No. Another was supposed to be a sacred victim. --Who? I can't talk about it. Because disclosure of certain information would compromise our cause. These plans were discussed at the meeting. Poroshenko was aware of it, but he didn't make the decision. However, he knew about the impending shootings. --Were the Americans aware of it? Yes, I think so. The Americans knew about everything that was done there. --On August 19-th several media reported that Avakov wrote a letter of resignation. Could you comment on that? Here is the thing. On the one hand, Avakov along with a group of comrades is preparing a coup against Poroshenko. But there are 40 votes aligned with him in the Parliament. If Poroshenko dismisses Avakov, the pro-presidential majority will just crumble. The majority crumbles and a new election starts-chaos. For Poroshenko it's disaster. Avakov has written a resignation several times, but Poroshenko refused to sign it each time. --What forces today are interested in overthrowing Poroshenko? And why do they want to remove him? Poroshenko has concentrated all the power in his own hands. In fact, all of them are opposed to him. He removed Yatsenuk, and practically all the American surrogates. Really, only his Head of Security Vasily Gritsak supports him. They have known each other for 20 years and support each other. -But Gritsak is also considered to be an American creation. Of course, the candidate for Head of Security is approved by the Americans, but they want to replace him. Grintsak is a protege of Poroshenko. If not for the effort of the Security Service of Ukraine the coup would already have happened. Prosecutor General Yury Lutsenko is in close negotiations with the oligarch Igor Kolomoiskiy behind Poroshenko's back. Prime Minister Vladimir Groysman has begun his ownpolitical project with a budget of 900 thousand dollars. The situation is such that Poroshenko today can not rely on anyone. Vasily Gritsak is the last who supports him. -- Is Kolomoisky also against Poroshenko? Kolomoisky is against Poroshenko. The wealth of Kolomoisky is based on three pillars : there is oil, ferro-alloys (60% of the world market) and Privat-Bank. They took the oil away from him. And now there is the issue of the nationalization of Privat-Bank. But this requires a large amount of around four billion dollars, Ukraine has no money. The situation is complicated. Kolomoisky has withdrawn all his money from the Bank. If a panic starts, the banking system of Ukraine will be overwhelmed. -- And who wants to promote the group of conspirators? Yatsenyuk? This is the situation. I talked to many Russian politicians. If radicals come to power in Ukraine, Russia will not recognize them. And the West will turn away from them as well because they will be openly Nazis. But Arseny Yatsenuk will be a civilized face for the coup. When Groysman flew to the United States the last time, they told him to get in touch with Yatsenuk, and he would arrange all the meetings for him. Yatsenuk is closely linked to Nuland. If the Nuland, Biden team remains in power, they have clear understandable proteges: Jaresko (former Minister of Finance of Ukraine, born in United States, ex-staffer and the Embassy of the United States Department of State in Ukraine), and Yatsenuk. As a presidential candidate they considered including Nalivaychenko (ex-head of the Security Service). So those who expect open bandits to come to power and the isolation of Ukraine are mistaken. As during Maidan, the coup will be accomplished by the hands of the radicals, but Yatsenuk will come to power. --In what form will the coup happen? Street Protests? Riots? At first that was the scenario. But the situation is so complicated that Poroshenko might resign voluntarily citing health. For him it's the opportunity to save his life and his money. I think that he will write a letter of resignation after first making a bargain. He bargains well; he is an excellent negotiator. When he realizes it's the end of everything, he will get immunity from prosecution and preservation of his capital for himself. The radicals will be used merely as a means of pressure. That is the working scenario. --When could all this happen? I think that before the election of the President of the United States nothing is likely to happen. Poroshenko now will do everything to fulfill the orders he received, namely: to provoke Russia to some kind action by which it will discredit itself and Trump. It will be either an attack on Donbass or provocations in the Crimea. For Poroshenko war means holding on to power for a little while longer. And it's not important to him if he loses part of the territory or if any number of people perish. -- Poroshenko late last week made a statement that Russia was preparing to attack. What's behind this? Another provocation is being prepared, allegedly in the name of Russia. Russian military uniforms are being purchased and transferred to Ukraine. Possibly a squad in Russian uniforms will commit some kind of assault or attack. It will be exactly what Clinton needs to accuse Russia and Trump, for who the image of stooge of Putin is being created. Poroshenko's statement fits into the scenario that has been actually confirmed by insiders. I have 20 years in Ukrainian politics. I have many acquaintances among politicians and law enforcement. Young people, security agents, told me that a year and a half ago there was an secret incursion into Russian territory in the Belgorod region. They were given weapons, crossed the border, carried out the raid and returned. That's how they were trained. These guys were not supporters of the ATO, they are from the old Security Services. The border with Russia is very long. Where exactly the provocation might occur is unclear. --In Crimea saboteurs of the defence intelligence of Ukraine were recently detained. This is already a fundamentally new situation: a direct aggression against Russia by a foreign State. There is the opinion that Russia should give a serious answer. How do you think it will be undertaken? I don't think Russia will undertake anything. Just use this situation for a sharp change of rhetoric towards Peter Poroshenko and Ukraine. Maybe, I'm saying the unpopular thing, but Russia shouldn't do anything. --Why? There is a civil war now in Ukraine. If you visit the blogs of Ukrainian nationalists, you will find out that they rejoice when people die. For them the more people that die the better, because it increases the hate and the division with Russia becomes irreversible. A military resolution of the conflict means more victims. And already a huge number of people have perished. --You know the numbers? How many people have been killed? I know the figures. They are monstrous. I won't name the source, but it's serious. About 100 thousand people have died during the conflict in Ukraine. We have almost caught up to Yugoslavia. Therefore, the ideal situation would be for the conflict to be resolved outside of Ukraine. In Syria, in the US elections, by the path of some kind of bargaining between the world powers. What is happening in Syria, Turkey and in other regions is in fact the resolution of the Ukrainian question outside of Ukraine. -- Do you think these saboteurs are real - Crimean saboteurs? The Ukrainian side is still distancing itself from them, argu ing that they are random people. It's real saboteurs. -- What was the meaning of the terrorist acts they prepared? What, in your opinion, did Kiev want to achieve ? The provocation was to resolve internal Ukrainian and American political problems. The situation is reminiscent of Chechnya after the first war. Recall, under pressure from the world community Russia left Chechnya alone. The shameful peace was signed in Khasavyurt. For this Russia was given a loan from the IMF. But Russia could not leave Chechnya alone, because internal problems began. There were two variants: either civil war inside Chechnya or expansion outside. It will be the same in Ukraine. The worse the problem becomes inside Ukraine, the worse will be the problems with Russia. The length of the Russian border that is unprotected is such that there will inevitably be problems. --After the detention of the saboteurs the same associations with Chechnya came to mind for me as well. In my opinion it's an exact analogy. But the invasion of Dagestan by Chechnya led to the second Chechnyan war. I still hope that everything will be decided somehow outside the territory of Ukraine. --With what was the resignation of Ambassador Zubarov connected? Already in 2012 at the roundtable meeting of the Moscow State Institute for International Relations Zubarov stated that Petro Poroshenko would be president of Ukraine. And that for Russia it would be a very good option. Because there are three lines that Poroshenko would not cross: the first NATO, the second Sevastopol, and the third the Orthodox Church. Zubarov has a good personal relation with him; he was always a lobbyist for Poroshenko in Russia. He argued that Poroshenko is a person with whom you can always come to an agreement, who always takes a balanced reasonable position, whose soul is with Russia, although he can't show it. Recognition of the presidential elections and many other things were done with the calculation that you can engage in dialogue with Poroshenko. But the retirement of Zubarov is a sign that there already will be no dialogue or agreement with Poroshenko about anything. For two reasons. First, he always implements what is favorable to him, if it's not favorable he cheats. So to come to agreement with him is useless. Second, he is not an independent politician. There is no process through which he can make an independent decision. --It turns out that Zubarov deceived the public at the roundtable and the leadership of Russia. Maybe, he genuinely felt that way. --Nevertheless, it turns out that due to the input of Zubarov Russia committed several large and irreparable errors, the most important of which, in my opinion, was the recognition of the legitimacy of the election of Poroshenko. Now this realization has come, but time has been lost. Why didn't they send him to retirement earlier? I think they left Zubarov to be another negotiator. There is Victor Medvedchuk, and Zurabov was another channel through which you c ould negotiate with Poroshenko. But now they decided that this channel is not needed. --What do you think, who is behind the assassination attempt on the head of the LNR, Plotnitsky ? Ukrainian security services or maybe ours, as some say? The Russian special services are definitely not behind it. The main version is the Ukrainian Security Services. There aren't any other versions. My guys were immediately at the scene of the assassination attempt and further accompanied him to the hospital. When he was transported there, he thought he was going to die, said goodbye to everyone. He was covered in blood. They washed away the blood in the hospital and it turned out that he had no serious injuries. The glass just cut him. An eye is damaged, but he will see. Plus contusions and bruises. He has already been discharged home and even returned to work. --Do you know who is behind the killings of field commanders Mozgovoy and Dremov? I know, but won't say. Better to let me tell you about Sheremet. --Tell us. The murder of Pavel Sheremet is associated with Russian affairs, specifically the murder of Nemtsov. Sheremet while working for Ukrainian Truth crossed the path of a number of colleagues working against Russia. T hrough Ukrainian Chechens they hired Russian Chechens who carried out the murder of Nemtsov. A tracking device was placed in the telephone of his girlfriend Durtisckaya. Sheremet was associated with Nemtsov's circle and conducted an investigation of his murder. When he started to get on the trail of the assassins, they eliminated him. I think that soon in Ukraine Chechens will be arrested for the murder of Sheremet. At least my friends in Kiev think that way. --Recently again it was reported that the United States may begin to deliver weapons to Ukraine. Is it really true? Yes, as soon as the provocation happens, shipments of lethal weapons will start. In the meantime, they have brought in a huge number of weapons from countries of the former Warsaw bloc. Delivered the guidance systems that allow you to detect the coordinates of the person who fired the shot. Concerning something more serious, in Dnepropetrovsk airport NATO warplanes are constantly landing and from which they unload boxes. And they have cordoned off the airport. What's in the the boxes, nobody knows. -- What do you think, will they impose martial law in Ukraine? There was information that it will happen in August. Turchinov is strongly swaying Poroshenko to impose martial law. The decision has practically already been made. It was reported before the religious procession to Kiev. Then, they figured out that in the event of martial law, Turchynov becomes the second person in the country as Secretary of the Security Council with huge powers. And if something happens to oroshenko, then he becomes person no. 1. Therefore, they stopped the game. And considering the position that Turchinov occupies today, in communication with Avakov and Parubiy, I think that Poroshenko will introduce martial law only in case of extreme necessity. -- If Poroshenko does not trust Turchinov, why not replace him ? Turchinov has been working with the United States since the story with the murder of the journalist Gongadze in 2000. He took an active part in the development of the case. It is very tightly linked to the Americans. -- Ukraine celebrates 25 years of independence. What feelings does this date bring out in you? Wh at has Ukraine achieved ? What feelings can it bring out? Soviet Ukraine in terms of development was ahead of Germany. It had a nuclear industry, like France's. Aircraft construction , pipe industry, ferrous metallurgy, non-ferrous metallurgy. And everything went down hill from there. We are one of the few countries which ha s not reached the level of GDP that we had at the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union. On the order of 35% of the GDP of independent Ukraine still is made up of the GDP of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. By the way, The first to break the GDP level at the time of the dissolution of the Soviet Union was Belarus. Then Azerbaijan. If Azerbaija was due to oil, Belarus is simply due to the fact that their industry wasn't destroyed. That is the result of Ukrainian independence.